a very good book by a guy named campbell craig called "destroying the village" about ike's nuclear policy that was very helpful to me. there is some scholarship on all of this. i'm a popular journalist who stands on the shoulders of academics. i hardly discovered all this. i knew -- i was enough of a journalist to know there's a story here, so i pursued it. anybody else? sir. >> on the vietnam thing, it's my understanding that those two soldiers were killed by snipers, so ike would say nobody died in combat. >> yeah. i think wasn't there an explosion or something, a tent? something like that. yeah. i know they used, ike uses that statistic, nobody killed in combat. i believe somebody in lebanon also died in '56, maybe in an accident. some people call that. look, you can endlessly pick over these things, but the central point is ike did not send soldiers into combat for a long time. what other modern president can make that claim? >> sir? >> yeah. >> early in ike's administration in indochina, and i don't know if the book touches on this, there was a real move, i think, to of after -- [ina